Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Paul » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:45 pm

Hello all --

I loved Kevin's thread in the French forum, starting a trend I hope of examining each of the Camoin Majors.
I posted there in the best French I can muster, but I thought it would be nice to have an English equivalent here.
Soooooooooo, any English-speakers are welcome to join the discussion-- and for god's sake your English need not be impeccable (much like my un-impeccable French)! :shock:

So, here are some ideas to consider.
Le Bateleur is Mercury (Roman) or Hermes (Greek), who is the god of commerce, the market, and trade.

ImagenImagen
Imagen

He has the wand of Hermes, the hat, the purse, and those shoes. His red shoes point both left and right, he is dexterous and flexible, unlike L’Empereur who stops further action in the service of stability.

Le Bateleur takes the purse of Le Mat, opens it, but the contents are in a primitive form; thus, the card may signify “beginnings”.

He stands on Taurus, which we can see when we juxtapose Le Monde with Le Bateleur.
ImagenImagen

The constellation of Taurus heralds the agricultural year and the fruits of the earth—indeed, agriculture = employment in the modern sense.

His hat forms a symbol of infinity: Imagen

The hat’s symbol is completed in Le Monde as the ribbon around the laurel wreath. He holds a tiny Sun in his hand, which is later glorified in Le Soleil
Imagen
Thus, Le Bateleur is not the completion of anything, but its beginning.

Since I can chatter freely in my native tongue, I might add that the word Mercury also influences the English word "merchandise" and French "marchandises," but the linguistic connection is more obvious in the English.

Le Bateleur gazes in a particular direction, and as was exemplified in the French section, at what Le Bateleur gazes provides information of the type of work or project. It becomes a blueprint for him that he uses to start his project.

I have sometimes pondered the difference between Le Bateleur reversed, or Le Bateleur looking (upright) at a reversed card. For example:
:Tar05U: :Tar01U: or :Tar15D: :Tar01U: or :Tar01D: :Tar19U:

Certainly, too many fundamentalist rules spoil the poetry of the Tarot de Marseille. But, when Le Bateleur is reversed, he seems to encounter problems in implementation. When he gazes at a reversed card, there seems to be a problem with the Idea, the Concept, but implementation is not an issue.

Thoughts from our small and humble tribe of English speakers?
Imagen
Avatar de Usuario
Paul
 
Mensajes: 262
Registrado: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 pm
Ubicación: États-Unis d'Amérique
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor iñigo » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:05 pm

Hi Paul:

Super fast:

I would like to add something else to complete your wonderful line of time about the I and its metaphorical sequence.

It´s important the thing the I is looking at. But It´s important as well the atraction that it has thru its wand.

The actual image of the I is the image of a DJ making a lot of people dance at the disco

what do you think?

regards!
iñigo
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 401
Registrado: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:57 pm
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor iñigo » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:31 am

Hi Paul:

uhmmm....Le bateleur.....remember the posits about US elections?

What about a reading on the current global crisis?

do we have a challenge?


regards!
iñigo
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 401
Registrado: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:57 pm
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Paul » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:21 pm

iñigo escribió:remember the posits about US elections?

What about a reading on the current global crisis?

do we have a challenge?


regards!


Indeed.

Oh my. Since the U.S. Elections, I've been very impressed politically. While no politician is a messiah, Obama has been conducting himself with aplomb.

So, what shall be our question? Are we looking for causes? solutions? Both?
Imagen
Avatar de Usuario
Paul
 
Mensajes: 262
Registrado: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 pm
Ubicación: États-Unis d'Amérique
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Lehann » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:23 am

API BEURZDAY MAÏ FRAYND !! :lol:
(Did you see my progress in english ? Aaahahahah ! :mrgreen:)
Happy 39th birthday, Paul :lol:
Joyeux anniversaire, plein de belles choses à venir dans ta vie, et mille bisous plein d'amitié !
Kevin
Lehann
 
Mensajes: 316
Registrado: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:56 pm
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Phine » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:46 pm

Hi Paul :),


and all the best wishes for you Imagen !

Even though I didn´t write in any post for some time, I´m still reading in this forum ;).
And your collage of the bull is fascinating - I love this picture and wonder if there are far more "puzzles" to detect...
Imagen


Thank you very much for sharing your insights,

Phine Imagen
Phine Imagen
Avatar de Usuario
Phine
 
Mensajes: 37
Registrado: Fri May 02, 2008 5:09 am
Ubicación: Hamburg / Germany
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Rafaël » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:31 pm

I know of two more puzzles.

Try to find them by yourself: the easiest is with "Le Diable" and "Jugement".

:wink:
Avatar de Usuario
Rafaël
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 170
Registrado: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:19 pm
Ubicación: Earth
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Lehann » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:11 pm

Hi Raph !
Are you talking about transparancy's puzzles ? Or about puzzles like Paul's one ?

Salut Raph !
Tu parles de puzzles par transparence ? Ou de puzzles comme celui de Paul ?
Lehann
 
Mensajes: 316
Registrado: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:56 pm
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Rafaël » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:17 pm

Salut Lehann,

I'm talking about a puzzle like the one above: by putting one card on the other and moving them a bit, something pretty nice appears.
It's less spectacular than the trick with Le Bateleur and Le Monde, but it's worth looking for :D

What do you mean with transparancy puzzles?
Avatar de Usuario
Rafaël
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 170
Registrado: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:19 pm
Ubicación: Earth
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Paul » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:37 pm

Bonjour all:

How about this, Rafaël,

Imagen

Or, perhaps they should be slightly higher?

Imagen

Thus, there is intimation here of the lower self of the imps being transformed into a higher self from the lower part as seen below the tomb.

Perhaps a separate thread is needed for these puzzles.
:?:

What's the next puzzle, Rafaël ? :D (please correct the puzzle above, if needed)
Imagen
Avatar de Usuario
Paul
 
Mensajes: 262
Registrado: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 pm
Ubicación: États-Unis d'Amérique
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Rafaël » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:03 pm

Hi Paul,

That is exactly what I had in mind!
:D

The next one is more subtile: the cards involved are: Le Monde & La Force
Avatar de Usuario
Rafaël
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 170
Registrado: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:19 pm
Ubicación: Earth
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Paul » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:30 pm

Hello Rafaël:

This is fun.

:?:
Imagen

The eagle's wing is finished in La Force's hat?

If such is true, I'm not sure the meaning of this puzzle.

Paul
Imagen
Avatar de Usuario
Paul
 
Mensajes: 262
Registrado: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 pm
Ubicación: États-Unis d'Amérique
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor Rafaël » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:39 pm

Hi Paul,
I'm glad you like it :wink:

The amazing thing about this one is that you can also complete the eagle's wing with the top of the Lion's leg.

I'm not sure about the meaning here either. But it certainly stresses the importance of this 11th card LA FORCE.
Also the middle of the so-called Camoin pattern.

Rafaël
Avatar de Usuario
Rafaël
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 170
Registrado: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:19 pm
Ubicación: Earth
FORO TAROT CAMOIN

Re: Meditations on I-Le Bateleur

Notapor skip » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:53 am

Paul wrote: "I might add that the word Mercury also influences the English word "merchandise" and French "marchandises," but the linguistic connection is more obvious in the English."

I hadn't realized the connection! Thanks so much for that!

enjoying thread immensely,

Skip
Avatar de Usuario
skip
ancien élève
ancien élève
 
Mensajes: 50
Registrado: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:05 pm
Ubicación: Tokyo/Lisbon/Paris
FORO TAROT CAMOIN


Volver a Tarot de Marseille

¿Quién está conectado?

Usuarios navegando por este Foro: No hay usuarios registrados visitando el Foro y 1 invitado