Phine ha scritto:Gosh, it´s pretty difficult to describe all this in english...
But I hope you´ll get the message...
I think your English is great.
Hello Phine, my fellow mad scientist. Together, we are creating monstrous ideas!
Or, we are making fools of ourselves to those
in the know of the Camoin secrets.
(And anyone else in the know or not in the know would be welcome in our quiet english café.)
I like your idea of the transmogrification of the lion.
It helps to see what the characters are doing and how they are changing, as if looking at a comic book strip; or, as if flipping the pages of one of those cartoon books we had as kids, wherein we flip the pages to see the characters move.
Anyhoo. I found that Jodorowsky did not address this particular combination (unless I am missing something in his book). Of course, the context of the question is paramount in any interpretation of a symbol-- much the same as in dream interpretation, the dreamer and the dreamer's life are paramount.
Some Tarot scholars have noted that La Force seems to express Virgo suppressing Leo,
much the same as the constellations display, with Virgo and Leo in proximity.
Then, we have Virgo proper (XIIII) with Hydra at her feet.
And, we have Virgo holding the scales of Libra in VIII.
So, this person gets a lot of airtime! Here's a snippet from the Southern Constellation Map. Note Virgo, the Cup, Hydra. Note Leo. Note Libra.
Here's what Manilius said about the influence of the constellation
Virgo:
"The temperaments of those whose span of life she pronounces at their birth [Virgo] will direct to study, and she will train their minds in the learned arts. She will give not so much abundance of wealth as the impulse to investigate the causes and effects of things. On them she will confer a tongue which charms, the mastery of words, and that mental vision which can discern all things, however concealed they be by the mysterious workings of nature. From the Virgin will also come the stenographer: his letter represents a word, and by means of his symbols he can keep ahead of utterance and record in novel notation the long speech of a rapid speaker. But with the good there comes a flaw: bashfulness handicaps the early years of such persons, for the Maid, by holding back their great natural gifts, puts a bridle on their lips and restrains them by the curb of authority. And (small wonder in a virgin) her offspring is not fruitful. [Astronomica, Manilius, 1st century AD, p.237 and 239]"
...and of
Leo:
"Who can doubt the nature of the monstrous Lion, and the pursuits he prescribes for those born beneath his sign? The lion ever devises fresh fights and fresh warfare on animals, and lives on spoil and pillaging of flocks. The sons of the Lion are filled with the urge to adorn their proud portals with pelts and to hang up on their walls the captured prey, to bring the peace of terror to the woods, and to live upon plunder. There are those whose like bent is not checked by the city-gates, but they swagger about in the heart of the capital with droves of beasts ; they display mangled limbs at the shop-front, slaughter to meet the demands of luxury, and count it gain to kill. Their temper is equally prone to fitful wrath and ready withdrawal, and guileless are the sentiments of their honest hearts" [Manilius, Astronomica, 1st century AD, p.237.]"
So, using only an astrological/constellation layer of interpretation, as "advice" this combination could be signifying speaking with care and self-control; tempering boldness with eloquence. They definitely juxtapose two different energies.
But, I do not mean to suggest that there is a readymade lexicon of card-combinations for every Tarot question under the Sun.
This was like the Sphinx of Oedipus, who could craft and articulate a Riddle, and then attack with ruthlessness any poor soul who could not answer it.